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Sir, your eloquence is an inspiration to us all. Have you considered becoming a columnist at WorldNetDaily?

Ah, the righteous indignation of youth is so adorable! Superb job of trashing the last few millenia of medicine, and more than a few current cultures to boot. Ever considered the possibility of science and nature working in tandem, Richard?

Man, when I think great Nobel Prize Winner I think GEORGE W. BUSH.

This artwork is fucking amazing. Just wow.

also, OMFGZ MY CAPTCHA WAS "Berman Herman" I know, right?!

The internet is the way forward but I too hope that it does not end all the printed papers and magazines that we all have been so use to over the years.

If you really want to point out semantics, I used the term 'small steps', not baby steps, but I think it is rather irrelevant to argue semantics. I am glad that you get the whole gist of my article. But I am also glad that you challenged the way I thought, because that is what this article was meant to be--thought provoking.

Also, I know. I was really disappointed in Maine as well. Maybe instead of trying to legislate marriage in the states or state courts, we can move to the military first? ;)

Ah I definitely know that, but I am also a fan of stirring the coals. We may have some differences in opinion in what constitutes a "baby step." I see Truman's Exec Order as a giant leap; baby steps in that context would be to gradually desegregate some of the units and evaluating how that affected performance. Lawrence v Texas was a huge leap for gay rights and one that has caused massive effects. A handful of states allowing gay marriage... baby steps. And just look at Maine. That baby just fell down and broke a bone.

"I think there are plenty of examples in history that show that when colossal societal changes are shoved down people's throats, they tend to vomit them back up. gotta make 'em bite size."

That is a great goddamn quote and I wish I'd written it. You need to start writing for AMP, whoever you are.

I think my comment about homosexuals serving in the closet is being taken wrong here. What I meant to say is that by allowing them to serve openly, it won't piss off the 'important countries' aka. The middle east simply because homosexuals are already serving in the military, just not 'outed'. So outing them wouldn't make a difference in the anger level of countries in the middle east because they were already there in the first place. Therefore helping to justify the fact that we don't have to worry about middle eastern countries hating us as you pointed out in your first post, Melissa.

Also, I would have to agree that small steps are necessary. Desegregation didn't happen all at once. Arguably one of the first American institutions desegregated was the military. That is why I believe that we first need to turn there with homosexuality. Lets take a step in the right direction first, and then move on to adding a clause in somewhere that 'one shall not discriminate on a basis of sexual orientation'. And school segregation didn't happen all at once. There were schools that were still segregated in the 1970s. It is a small process and cannot all happen at once. It started with the military and Truman, then it moved to Brown v. Board, and then it was the Civil Rights Act. And look at our society, is there still hatred, of course and there always will me some, but we have advanced so much from where we were the second before the Civil Rights Act was passed in '64. Change is a slow process, its not something that can all happen at once. You gotta take it slow.

Oh and let's not forget, Melissa, I wrote the article. We are on the same side on this issue :)

"Imagine being told that you can’t talk about your girlfriend, or girls you are interested in. Imagine you can’t have posters or calendars with bikini babes on them. Imagine that you can’t go out to bars and hit on cute girls, and have to hide the fact that they are the object of your desire. Imagine hearing everybody around you talking about all of the above, talking about their romantic interests, random pursuits, and romps in the hay."

...so imagine you're in CV? But, I kid...and am in CV, it's all in good fun.

Melissa, while you make a good point about the "closet" being discriminatory, I feel like your argument had some flaws. As the above poster has pointed out, claiming he should be outraged just weakens the credibility of an intelligent and reasonable poster, which I can see you are.
Also, I think your logic/rhetoric/what-have-you is flawed. Those things you mentioned- desegregation of troops,of schools, etc.- were all small steps in a larger goal. While the struggle for equality has had defining and large scale moments, the more lasting and permanent changes have been done in the small steps.
I think there are plenty of examples in history that show that when colossal societal changes are shoved down people's throats, they tend to vomit them back up. gotta make 'em bite size.